Turn 2 entrance... [Archive]

Mr Sunshine

04-11-2007, 02:23 PM

I was curious if anybody noticed anything different about the turn 1 to 2 area and the entrance into turn 2 this past race weekend?

I was thinking about it some and besides the holes they patched up I think that area waved out some. I remember it being much more a single grade between 1 and 2 but now there is a little roller in there...at least it seems like it.

Anybody notice anything?

Moto

04-11-2007, 05:14 PM

i wasn't on the track durring that weekend but i recall that area always having ripples.

Mr Sunshine

04-11-2007, 05:40 PM

i wasn't on the track durring that weekend but i recall that area always having ripples.

I'm speaking of large waves...like 50 feet long. Not just ripples like turn 4 has on the outside.

Moto

04-11-2007, 07:35 PM

I'm speaking of large waves...like 50 feet long. Not just ripples like turn 4 has on the outside.

well...what are you doing on the outside of T4?

Mr Sunshine

04-11-2007, 08:19 PM

well...what are you doing on the outside of T4?

I'm not..its just something you can see when you go around slowly. :p

Hypnotiq

04-12-2007, 12:41 AM

There was some work done in T2 the last couple of days. ;)

Moto

04-12-2007, 04:25 AM

I'm not..its just something you can see when you go around slowly. :p

easy solution. don't take so long to get around haha.

Steve

04-12-2007, 07:00 AM

There was some work done in T2 the last couple of days. ;)

Do tell....

Apex.One

04-12-2007, 08:29 AM

I'm not..its just something you can see when you go around slowly. :p

I try to look to the inside of the turn when I'm going through a corner. :D

Mr Sunshine

04-12-2007, 08:30 AM

I try to look to the inside of the turn when I'm going through a corner. :D

Yeah yeah....its something to point out when you are doing a ride around...the other interesting thing to point out is the fastest line puts you a few inchs inside of those ripples.

Mr Sunshine

04-12-2007, 08:31 AM

Do tell....

Me too! Speak please.

piper907

04-23-2007, 10:17 AM

What about the EXIT of turn two!!!!:eek:
notice anything new there???:rolleyes:

Mr Sunshine

04-23-2007, 10:24 AM

What about the EXIT of turn two!!!!:eek:
notice anything new there???:rolleyes:

Well now...my post was before they did any of those "patches".

I did find the completely smooth line through turn 2....not sure if one gives up speed for it though.

Rubber Ducky

04-23-2007, 10:35 AM

I was out for the 2-fast track day on Wednesday last week and noticed the there are two new very long asphalt patches where the pavement was coming apart between T1 and T2. I think they did a nice job but do keep an eye out if you are trying outbrake someone on the inside of T2, this will put you on the smaller of the two patches (on the inside line) and the end of the patch has a noticeable "hump" that will upset the bike just as you are ready to tip in for T2. Not a big deal but it caught me by surprise the first time around.:)

piper907

04-23-2007, 10:36 AM

Well now...my post was before they did any of those "patches".

I did find the completely smooth line through turn 2....not sure if one gives up speed for it though.

you are gonna have to show me that one...:confused: the completely smooth one?

Steve

04-23-2007, 10:38 AM

Mr Sunshine

04-23-2007, 11:02 AM

you are gonna have to show me that one...:confused: the completely smooth one?

I'll give you a hint...single apex turn 2. Turn 2 has always had two lines through it. A single apex and a double apex. 99% of the people I see do the double apex around that turn (I suspect it is faster) but there is also a single apex around that turn. Its really used when you are trying to make an outside pass on a rider. The difference here is you come into the turn pretty late before you turn hard and what it does is puts you on smooth pavement for the entrance and lines you up to avoid the exit bump by having you go across the exit patch at an angle.

But I'm not sure if it is faster or not and only people much quicker than me will be able to tell or not.

redrider2

04-23-2007, 12:41 PM

I'll give you a hint...single apex turn 2. Turn 2 has always had two lines through it. A single apex and a double apex. 99% of the people I see do the double apex around that turn (I suspect it is faster) but there is also a single apex around that turn. Its really used when you are trying to make an outside pass on a rider. The difference here is you come into the turn pretty late before you turn hard and what it does is puts you on smooth pavement for the entrance and lines you up to avoid the exit bump by having you go across the exit patch at an angle.

But I'm not sure if it is faster or not and only people much quicker than me will be able to tell or not.

I found the single apex was smoother as well but a bit skeptical to use it because if it is slower, faster folks are coming underneath and I don't want to be that novice guy that cuts someone off.

Definitely an ugly bump. A bit unnerving to have the bike about buck you off as the "normal" course of exiting a corner. Althouth I could probably stand to visit Dr Barry in the near future.

Mr Sunshine

04-23-2007, 12:46 PM

Althouth I could probably stand to visit Dr Barry in the near future.

Try riding an SV with the damping rod front end...Barry knows his stuff but he isn't a god and can't magically tune out the high speed compression I need just for that bump.

um...computer controlled suspension just like computer controlled steering damper....honda will do it some day. :D

thom2002

04-23-2007, 09:47 PM

Try riding an SV with the damping rod front end...Barry knows his stuff but he isn't a god and can't magically tune out the high speed compression I need just for that bump.

um...computer controlled suspension just like computer controlled steering damper....honda will do it some day. :D

at least you aren't on a STOCK damping rod front end...first time i hit that bump sucked. I took about a 2 foot wider line coming out of 2 and it helped a lot.

patch is like this

_____***______
----------------
^
outside

the astrix being the area to avoid

i went over the longer part of that new patch and it seemed to smooth things out quite a bit...however it put me on a wider exit line and i hit a nice bump i'd never hit right before you go down the hill...that sent me into a nice tank slapper but it worked itself out.

i moved my line a bit wider and missed that bump and was ok for the rest of the day...but ya...kinda scared the crap out of me the first few sessions

gazman

04-24-2007, 12:40 AM

The patch on the exit of T2 is um..."challenging." In other words, it sucked. Took me a few sessions to get comfortable with how upset the suspension was getting. I like the attempt and it would be fine if they smoothed out the transition/seam between the new and old pavement but as it stands now, it's kinda scary. I hit my knee slider hard enough on the lip I had to check to see if it was still there as I rode on down to T3.

Don't be a baby at the exit of t-2. I felt nothing different there. You just need to go over it. People were complaining on 2 fast about some new bump at the exit of 2 but I had no idea what they were talking about. Just ride it and don't fuss :)

Motophotog

04-24-2007, 02:20 AM

The single apex line still works, as long as you fade out just upon the exit of 2 so that you arent hitting that huge bump at the end of the last patch (where they decided to pave all the way to the inside edge of the track) That was the only section where i could noticably feel the bike bump. Using this line also put me about 6" to the right of that pothole/creme thing that is in the direct middle of the exit of 2. In a way this was nice because it was a great reference point to look for through the turn. As for the entry, the entry felt great to me all day.

Steve

04-24-2007, 06:50 AM

Don't be a baby at the exit of t-2. I felt nothing different there. You just need to go over it. People were complaining on 2 fast about some new bump at the exit of 2 but I had no idea what they were talking about. Just ride it and don't fuss :)

You must be taking a different line then as every time just after the exit my bike was getting pretty upset. I am hoping this shows through in the videos I got once they are downloaded.

Mr Sunshine

04-24-2007, 08:11 AM

You must be taking a different line then as every time just after the exit my bike was getting pretty upset. I am hoping this shows through in the videos I got once they are downloaded.

Yeah you might have me on video through turn 4 and maybe turn 3. If you do...can you please send it my way...I really need to see how bad I am there.

thanks! :)

thom2002

04-26-2007, 01:03 AM

You must be taking a different line then as every time just after the exit my bike was getting pretty upset. I am hoping this shows through in the videos I got once they are downloaded.

ya i could definitely see your bike do a nice hop/wiggle coming out...it definitely sucks but we all have to ride around this track...definitely not a GP worthy one but better than nothing :D

plus it makes all of us better riders anyways haha

Mr Sunshine

04-26-2007, 08:23 AM

Take a look at the session 3 video Steve posted from the NESBA day.

Go to :47 and 2:25 into the video and you'll see where Steve comes off the second patch mid-track. That upsetted the bike pretty good too, just like the exit. The difference is that you are hard on the brakes when the bike gets upsetted and you'll generally be using this line when you are trying to make an inside pass. So two things are setup. Big bump hard on the brakes, someone either right in front or to the side of you. This all equals a greater potentional problem than the exit of 2. For the exit you just change your line a little bit and drift wider just a tad earlier.

Personally the entrance bump is more of an issue to me than the exit one. The exit one just changes some people's lines but if they hit the bump the world isn't going to end. The entrance one changes lines but to go any more inside on someone you are risking running really wide mid-corner which is a big problem.

Chris Denzler mentioned last night when he walked the track he saw people getting air off of an entrance bump based on the rubber he saw layed down. I suspect the bump he is talking about is the same one I am talking about but only he can confirm that.

piper907

04-26-2007, 09:34 AM

yup... I hit it, hard on the brakes and damn near wentover the windscreen...
It seems like you have to either enter pretty far inside or pretty far outside now... Hopefully we wont have anyone to surprised by it on the first lap of a large grid start... could get ugly in a hurry.

Moto

04-28-2007, 12:08 PM

RickRinaldo123

04-29-2007, 08:10 AM

You must be taking a different line then as every time just after the exit my bike was getting pretty upset. I am hoping this shows through in the videos I got once they are downloaded.

I agree. I found the exit of T2 very challenging with the new pavement work.

Riding on the new pavement strip puts you too wide on the exit. Conversely, hitting the (second) apex (with the new speed bump) then new pavement then the center divide really upsets the bike.

It will surely take some getting used to!

Allister Squid #121

05-02-2007, 10:42 AM

I have been in contact with the track and they have promised to try to repair the exit of T2.

I will stop by today and see if they have made any progress.

MikeM

05-02-2007, 12:45 PM

That bump can help you to get the back end to start sliding. Then we can all try to be like Mitchell:D

piper907

05-02-2007, 03:47 PM

I believe It'll get your front end sliding as well:)

theJrod

05-08-2007, 10:58 AM

Anyone notice a difference after this weekend? Seems like the double-apex inside line upon the exit is a little smoother now. If you drift wide on exit, it's still bumpy as hell though. I don't think they did anything about the entrance to T2.

Mr Sunshine

05-08-2007, 11:02 AM

I noticed a positive improvement on the tight line coming out of turn 2. They didn't touch the entrance...one issue at a time.

Ex Presidente

05-08-2007, 11:57 AM

The reason you all noticed a difference was because Allister workes with the track to grind down the bump on the Exit of 2 on Friday afternoon. And yes he is working on other areas of the track.
It'd be a good idea for you to show up to the general membership meeting later this month and I'm sure Allister will have an update on the track for you all.

Hypnotiq

05-08-2007, 11:58 AM

The 2nd apex bump is fixed and is no different than the way it was before they "fixed" it.

Entrance to T2 is next up on the list to have addressed but isn't as easy to fix as the exit was. Allister is working with PR to fix things.

Thx,
Nico

Mr Sunshine

05-08-2007, 12:01 PM

The 2nd apex bump is fixed and is no different than the way it was before they "fixed" it.

That isn't true...there is now a seam transion onto the pavement patch and the patch itself is wavey, compared to what it was before it went in.

Hypnotiq

05-08-2007, 01:10 PM

It's a non issue.

Mr Sunshine

05-08-2007, 01:20 PM

It's a non issue.

You aren't serious are you? I'm mean sure compared to other issues the problems with the exit of turn 2 isn't an issue but its not a non-issue.

Hypnotiq

05-08-2007, 01:24 PM

Not only do I not have a problem with the exit of T2, none of the other people I talked to Sat/Sun/Mon had a problem with the exit of T2.

Maybe you should try being on the right line at the exit. :p

Mr Sunshine

05-08-2007, 01:33 PM

Not only do I not have a problem with the exit of T2, none of the other people I talked to Sat/Sun/Mon had a problem with the exit of T2.

Maybe you should try being on the right line at the exit. :p

I'm not going to debate this with you as we are all entitled to our own opinions, thoughts and feelings. If I thought I was gonna die coming out of two I wouldn't ride the track but to say there aren't any problems there is a little naive.

RickRinaldo123

05-08-2007, 02:35 PM

I found that the fixes that they did to the exit of T2 worked. I agree that T2 is still messed up, but, it is now no better or no worse than it was on the first race weekend.

Rick...

Allister Squid #121

05-09-2007, 08:35 AM

After the repairs that Ron from Pacific completed I consider the exit of T2 complete.

I have spoken with numerous fast racers , have raced the course myself and find the repairs adequate.

The exit at T2 has always had a narrow smooth (fast) line. Many of the bumps remain, but they are not on the fast line, nor do they occur when the bike is leaned way over.

It is no worse than before and even offers an additional wide line across the new pavement.

The entrance has some issues. I will continue my work with the track to eliminate as many problems as possible.

We managed to get through the weekend without any major mishaps at the entrance or exit of T2. so thats good....

The track management have been responsive, so hats off to them!!!

Please keep me posted regarding safety issues and I will push to get the high priority issues dealt with as soon as possible.

Thanks

justintime2

05-09-2007, 09:41 AM

We managed to get through the weekend without any major mishaps at the entrance or exit of T2. so thats good....
My issue was a turn 2 entrance one. Obviously rider error precipitates them all but I will PM you when I get a chance to express my concerns. :)
Thanks for all your help in working out issues with PR though, I certainly appreciate them.