Anyone doing the Seattle 100 @ PR?

[justintime2]

Just wondering if anyone is fund raising and will be doing the Seattle 100 (http://www.2-fast.org/seattle-100.html) July 29th at PR. :)

[Mr Sunshine]

I am. If you would like to help me out and donate some money through me that would be great. Every dollar you donate through me is matched by my employeer so it counts as $2.

I have a PayPal link at http://www.chrisburgess.com/blog/Racing/tabid/59/Default.aspx

Or you can email me at chris at chrisburgess.com if you would like to send me cash (or we can hook up at a race).

[Hypnotiq]

I'll be there. :)

[justintime2]

Sorry thatman, I forgot to mention in the thread that I will be there as well. But with that poilished pitch you should have no problem reaching your goal, whatever it is.

Have you guys done it before? Looking for some feedback. I emailed 2-fast yesterday and got an interesting email back that kind of surprised me. I asked if we had to pay the PR gate fee and what time to get there for pitting, but this Q elicited an interesting response. "1. will you have a lap timer beacon set-up that is compatable with the Ultra Lap XT timers?"

2-fast response:
"Whoa bro. The Seattle 100 is not a race, and not a normal track day: you shouldn’t even be thinking about running lap times on this particular day, K? It’s a charity event, and the goal is to have NO CRASHES on the day of the event… which means people need to show up at the event with the proper mindset. That mindset is to CHILL. This is not a day to go out and try to run your best times. Do that on a different track day date, K? No, no beacon."

My reply:
"The Beacon Q was so I could count my laps, I realize it's not a race. Still nice to keep track of what you are doing on the track. So I guess I don't come away with any of the ride data for the day, dissappointing. :("

Not sure what to make of that. I understand from reading all the stuff before hand it's not a race and that they want to have fun, not cart people away in ambulances, but it is a race track.

Either way as fire fighters we usually do the FF challenge to raise money for charity but thought this was a good cause too and something new. :)

[Mr Sunshine]

From my first experience last year what happened in the 200 group is on the first lap into turn 2 in the first session of the day an engine let loose. That sucked. Later on in the day another motor let loose right in front of me spraying me and my bike with oil. That one sucked the most as it was out of turn 4 all the way over the hill on the line.

During the riders meeting there is a strong push for people to chill on that day and to also understand if one of the Pro's come ripping around you, DO NOT try to keep up, nor if you are going to come around one of the Pro's, DO NOT do anything close to close or stupid on the pass. These guys make there money racing and kick you left right sideways and still have time to mock you. The last thing you want to do is to cause them to get hurt.

So from that the 2-Fast crew is trying to be sure to push that for that day, number one priority is to take it easy and throttle it down a notch or two.

In the end the day is awesome and it means even more before it is for a good cause.

And BTW: it isn't a race track unless there is a race going on. it is a closed course circuit during that day which means no racing.

I'm sure Brian or Mark might chime into this thread as they do look at this forum once in awhile.

[justintime2]

Thanks for the feedback. What your saying makes sense and his email made sense, it just seemed a bit jumpy for just asking about lap timers. I wasn't asking to wheelie up the front straight, LOL! :)

I have heard nothing but good things about 2-fast and it sounds like a good time. Geoff who works with 2-fast and races in the expert class at WMRRA is pretty cool and I look forward to seeing him again too.

And by the way, a race track is a race track weather someones there for a picnic or an AMA race. I get your point though. :)

[Mr Sunshine]

And by the way, a race track is a race track weather someones there for a picnic or an AMA race. I get your point though. :)

I know you understand my point. If you wouldn't mind I would like to explore this further.

What makes a closed curcuit a race track? Doesn't there have to be a race to make something that isn't a race into a race? In this case take a closed curcuit and turn it into a race on a closed curcuit which is commonly referred to as a "race track" due to a closed curcuit usually be referred to as a track and a race on a track makes it a race track.

For us racers we like to use track days as "test and tune" aka "race practice days" but in reality a track day is not a race practice day. It is a day for people to circulate a closed curcuit so they can enjoy all of the benefits a close curcuit brings.

I'm going to disgress a little bit but please try to stay with me.

I am not yet fast enough to go into the advanced groups in track days (also referred to as level 1, 100, A). I am in the intermediate groups (also referred to as level 2, 200, I) and I run somewhere in the middle to faster end of this group (depending on the group out there). I personally would love to run in the advanced groups because I believe I am consistant enough on my lines, braking points and throttle up points to not be a bother to someone who is fast enough to go faster than I.

The main reasons why I would love to be in the advanced group is as follows:

1) Learn from faster riders than I out on the track by maybe seeing where I am slower than them or perhaps faster than them.
2) Ride in a group of people who are consistant which makes it much safer for me.
3) Generally ride with other racers who understand that just because they are on the track doesn't mean they are in a race.

Point 2 and 3 are very important to me. During the last Adrenline Freaks track day right before the race weekend at Pacific I was trucking down the front straight doing what my little F4i can do and right before the chute I was clipped by some non-racer on his liter track bike because he wasn't planning enough in the advance to make a safe pass. The outcome was good though as I stayed up, he didn't hit the right hand wall in the chute and I was able to verify that I have gained enough mental toughness not to freak out during or after the event (I did get mad though and that was an interesting state of mind to ride in, I think I need to do that more often as it felt good and I felt relaxed).

If I was in the advanced group they would have had the experience to not make a poor decision like that.

The second one was during that same track day I ended up passing an SV1000 street rider (plates and all) coming into a corner. It was one of those passes where the rider brakes way earlier than you so you just pass them while youa re starting to put the brakes on.

After that corner and for the next two laps before I pulled off because I was sick of it...all he seemed to want to do is race me. I would end up passing him coming into a corner, he would try to drive me out of the corner and sometimes I would just let him go to keep it safe (remember we aren't racing here). Then at the next corner yet again I would pass him.

Now remember I'm faster than him. I know this because I came up on him. But now all I can think is he wants to race me and that is not what I am out there to do on a track day, nor should anybody else be out there to do the same. So I pulled off as it wasn't worth it.

So the question is...what makes a track, a race track?

[Wubbie]

All I have to say about the above is WOW.

[justintime2]

Boy you shur do like to argue a point huh? :)

OK your point no longer has much to do with the Seattle 100 and neither do my responses below.

So on our WMRRA days is it a "closed circuit" during practices and than it switches to a "race track" when the practices are over?

You have one big distinction without a difference. What are track practice days if not to learn how to "Race" by passing people and railing the course as fast as you are capable?

Just because your goals for a track day are different than someone else's doesn't mean everyone else not there for the same thing is wrong and you get to say mine is the only agenda that counts while out here. Sure for most there will be a different pace and different risks taken on a track day or practice round than would be for an actual race, but that doesn't make the others wrong, it just puts them there for a different reason. I would think playing with that other guy would be a good opportunity to practice racing. But if that wasn't what you were looking for and he was, or he wasn't good enough at it, I can see how that would get annoying or unsafe.

I agree with you that to race/ride with faster riders helps you grow in skill and comfort level. I also feel much more confident about one of the better riders passing me than some one who just wants too but doesn't necessarily know how to safely. That can jeopordize us both.

In closing, an airplane is still an airplane even if it's not flying at the time. And Pacific Raceways is a race track even when we are not there, LOL! :)

[Steve]

If a tree falls down in the woods when there's no one there, does it make a sound?

[justintime2]

If a tree falls down in the woods when there's no one there, does it make a sound?
Alright that's some funny stuff right there, LOL! :D

[justintime2]

On a side note for the tree thing. If the tree falls and nobody is there to hear it, it is simple a sine wave of a particular frequency range that is propagating through the air. Until it finds something to reverberate off of, allowing it to be translated into an actual "sound", it's just a signal in the air. Much like a radio or TV station. :)

[Mr Sunshine]

Boy you shur do like to argue a point huh? :)

OK your point no longer has much to do with the Seattle 100 and neither do my responses below.

So on our WMRRA days is it a "closed circuit" during practices and than it switches to a "race track" when the practices are over?

You have one big distinction without a difference. What are track practice days if not to learn how to "Race" by passing people and railing the course as fast as you are capable?

Just because your goals for a track day are different than someone else's doesn't mean everyone else not there for the same thing is wrong and you get to say mine is the only agenda that counts while out here. Sure for most there will be a different pace and different risks taken on a track day or practice round than would be for an actual race, but that doesn't make the others wrong, it just puts them there for a different reason. I would think playing with that other guy would be a good opportunity to practice racing. But if that wasn't what you were looking for and he was, or he wasn't good enough at it, I can see how that would get annoying or unsafe.

I agree with you that to race/ride with faster riders helps you grow in skill and comfort level. I also feel much more confident about one of the better riders passing me than some one who just wants too but doesn't necessarily know how to safely. That can jeopordize us both.

In closing, an airplane is still an airplane even if it's not flying at the time. And Pacific Raceways is a race track even when we are not there, LOL! :)


I'm sorry I really wasn't trying to argue the point as I understood you knew where I was coming from so there really was nothing to argue. I just wanted to explorer the idea further.

But to respond.

During our WMRRA race weekend that track is a race track the entire time.

During practice we are practicing but that doesn't mean we should be making those really close passes or do something really risky during practice that could normally happen during a race. During a race sure (but remember none of us are making a living out of this [well 99.9% of us]).

In the case of the SV sure I could play with him but I would have been taking a risk with him and myself that didn't make sense as on a track day the only winners are the one's who stay on two wheels. In the case of the bump to pass during the front straight that was just plan fucking stupid and showed a lack of brains that rider was exhibiting on the track.

In closing, if you want to treat everytime you are on the track as a race, go right ahead but I choose to reserve that behavior for race weekends.

[Mr Sunshine]

On a side note for the tree thing. If the tree falls and nobody is there to hear it, it is simple a sine wave of a particular frequency range that is propagating through the air. Until it finds something to reverberate off of, allowing it to be translated into an actual "sound", it's just a signal in the air. Much like a radio or TV station. :)


I always understood that the air would resonate and will produce sound, its just that we can't hear it. :D

[FISHGUY]

WHERE EVER YOU GO, THERE YOU ARE......AND YES ON THE TREE!!! :)

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[FISHGUY]

i'LL BE THERE AS WELL....

[Hypnotiq]

Wow. Some of you guys need hobbies. :)

[Mr Sunshine]

Wow. Some of you guys need hobbies. :)


This is a hobbie.

[Hypnotiq]

Do you mean hobby?
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[Ex Presidente]

If Nico lends his bike to some Expert Riders for an Endurance Race does this mean he has been "Goated"? :)

Luke
PS: Not sure if anyone on here will get that!

[Mr Sunshine]

Do you mean hobby?
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As I stated before I was hired for my good looks and not my spelling ability.

Good luck tomorrow with OMRRA. I'll be stuck at home doing house projects.

[timk]

If Nico lends his bike to some Expert Riders for an Endurance Race does this mean he has been "Goated"? :)
Only if the borrower tosses the bike down and walks away saying "Thanks for the ride, dude. Looks like you have some repair work to do though." :)

[Ex Presidente]

Which is a possibility considering the "Expert" Riders that will be joining him on said Endurance Bike. :)
Nico - Are you paying the Entire Tire and Fuel Bill for this Endurance Race?
Luke

[Hypnotiq]

There have been reinforced instructions that there will be NO tossing of my 750. I plan on graduating OMRRA on Sunday. :)

[tarheel]

If a tree falls down in the woods when there's no one there, does it make a sound?


Steve....I was trying to come up with a quirky little cameback but yours is way to fitting! Well Done!!