View Full Version : Numbers on the grid cones
mygrassisblu
05-08-2006, 12:45 PM
This is really not a big concern if you are on the first 3 rows. When I got to my grid position, on what I was pretty sure was the 7th row, someone was in my spot. The guy that should have been next to me was in row 6. Now I am sure I counted 10 cones....so 4 from the back should have been right.
Is it possible to put some numbers on the grid cones? We would be able to line up a lot faster and get things under way smoother, especially on a 40 bike grid.
Has anyone else encountered any issues?
Mr Sunshine
05-08-2006, 12:52 PM
I made that suggestion to Diana after the first weekend but I didn't see any changes this weekend.
So ya I think it would be a great idea. I was willing to pony up the money for the numbers even.
And yes I almost made the mistake this weekend. I was about to try to be one row back from where I should be.
It may seem like no big deal to number the start line cones, but I am the only one that shows up at 6 a.m. to set up the track and I have to put out 11 sets of flags, 11 fire extinguishers, 11 bags of grease sweep and brooms, the bus stop speed bumps, the 60 cones in turns 1, 2 and 3, on the exit, at the death chute and along the straight after the bus stop, the grid board, pens and info board at pit exit, the generator, start light and info boards at the start. Keeping track of a set of numbered cones so that you don't have to count rows is, I'm afraid to say, a bit down on my list. It is a good idea, but there really is time to count rows and get into the correct start position. It is amazing how things slow down as you get more experience. There will be more time for bike setup as you do it more. There will be more time before tech as it becomes more routine. If you want to help track setup, I'd be glad to have a helper. Troy341
FISHGUY
05-08-2006, 09:10 PM
It may seem like no big deal to number the start line cones, but I am the only one that shows up at 6 a.m. to set up the track and I have to put out 11 sets of flags, 11 fire extinguishers, 11 bags of grease sweep and brooms, the bus stop speed bumps, the 60 cones in turns 1, 2 and 3, on the exit, at the death chute and along the straight after the bus stop, the grid board, pens and info board at pit exit, the generator, start light and info boards at the start. Keeping track of a set of numbered cones so that you don't have to count rows is, I'm afraid to say, a bit down on my list. It is a good idea, but there really is time to count rows and get into the correct start position. It is amazing how things slow down as you get more experience. There will be more time for bike setup as you do it more. There will be more time before tech as it becomes more routine. If you want to help track setup, I'd be glad to have a helper. Troy341
Troy, why cant we put painted numbers on the track or on the inside white wall for the grid, the wall would of course be the best way to go and then no one would have to do any set-up and paint or stickers would last all year long?????? I know for some of the guys; well alot of the guys, when the race horn blows the mind is everywhere and no where at the same time and this makes it hard to get in the right grid posistion, the numbers would take the worry away and would save time for everyone, even the Pro's..TX
gazman
05-08-2006, 09:37 PM
Troy, why cant we put painted numbers on the track or on the inside white wall for the grid, the wall would of course be the best way to go and then no one would have to do any set-up and paint or stickers would last all year long?????? I know for some of the guys; well alot of the guys, when the race horn blows the mind is everywhere and no where at the same time and this makes it hard to get in the right grid posistion, the numbers would take the worry away and would save time for everyone, even the Pro's..TX
PR won't allow WMRRA to paint anything but i agree with the confusion on the grid lines. Numbers on the cones would help a lot.
mygrassisblu
05-09-2006, 06:38 AM
Keeping track of a set of numbered cones so that you don't have to count rows is, I'm afraid to say, a bit down on my list. It is a good idea, but there really is time to count rows and get into the correct start position. It is amazing how things slow down as you get more experience. There will be more time for bike setup as you do it more. There will be more time before tech as it becomes more routine.
The point of my post was.....I was in the correct position but MANY others were not. Oh, and I am not talking about the novice heat. I am sure any class with a 9 row grid would like to see numbers on the cones.
I love to ride and race. I cant thank all the volunteers enough for what they do. Without the WMRRA staff and all the volunteers none of this would be possible. BUT sticking 10 numbers on 10 cones and stacking them together with a bungee cord through them to keep them separate is not a big request.
Steve
05-09-2006, 07:36 AM
PR won't allow WMRRA to paint anything but i agree with the confusion on the grid lines. Numbers on the cones would help a lot.
I wonder if the Armco barrier could be painted with numbers like someone suggested above or perhaps 8'' number plate numbers could be stuck on it? Just a thought. I was gridded more towards the back in my races and I just remember sitting there counting back 6 cones thinking it would be nice if there was just a #6 somewhere on the wall or the cone.
And if it's a time or money issue, with permission, I would be happy to purchase and stick them up there on race weekends.
FISHGUY
05-09-2006, 08:43 AM
I wonder if the Armco barrier could be painted with numbers like someone suggested above or perhaps 8'' number plate numbers could be stuck on it? Just a thought. I was gridded more towards the back in my races and I just remember sitting there counting back 6 cones thinking it would be nice if there was just a #6 somewhere on the wall or the cone.
And if it's a time or money issue, with permission, I would be happy to purchase and stick them up there on race weekends.
I'm with Steve, we could use some vintage style plates numberd with stickers and just hang those on the wall, I'd be happy to go in with Steve for the cost and effort to help everyone out and Steve and I would even bring em and set em up....??????What do you think?
Eric # 871
csbextreem
05-09-2006, 09:13 AM
I also would be willing to help out on some of the cost as well. I was thinking of making some numbers that could be hung and secured some how but some one beat me to the punch line.
If we make them portable, they will be usable at Spokane too.
Let me know what I can do to help.
Great idea guys and I am sure it would make things that much easier for everyone.
Mr Sunshine
05-09-2006, 09:13 AM
I'm with Steve, we could use some vintage style plates numberd with stickers and just hang those on the wall, I'd be happy to go in with Steve for the cost and effort to help everyone out and Steve and I would even bring em and set em up....??????What do you think?
Eric # 871
I can't remember but are the cones out during practice and are they out during the entire race?
csbextreem
05-09-2006, 09:16 AM
I don't think they remove them during the race.... That seems like it would be a lot of hassle but remember that when we come through the kink, we are going waaaaayyyyy past them before approaching the wall and the experts are going even further... :D
gazman
05-09-2006, 11:08 AM
good ideas fellas
You guys make number plates that hang from the wall on one side, securely, and I will try to remember to put them up each race. However, I always forget something during setup, so some slack would be appreciated. Troy341
Now that I think about it, just bring me a big fattie permanent marker and I'll mark the cones, that way I only have 1 more thing to think of (what cone goes where) instead of 2 things (where are the damn signs and where do they go?). Troy341
Mr Sunshine
05-09-2006, 04:27 PM
Now that I think about it, just bring me a big fattie permanent marker and I'll mark the cones, that way I only have 1 more thing to think of (what cone goes where) instead of 2 things (where are the damn signs and where do they go?). Troy341
How about I hook up with you on Saturday morning at Spokane and I'll go through and mark the cones for you.
Would that work?
Deal. Go to registration, they'll have a radio to get ahold of me. Troy341
FISHGUY
05-09-2006, 09:10 PM
Steve and I have come up with a great way to out fit Pacific with numbers, I'll get going on it and we'll let you know whats up, " Troy" as far as Spokane, thats something different, although the Pacific out fit should work in Sp-compton as well...Update to follow to all..
Thanks
Eric
csbextreem
05-10-2006, 07:57 AM
My offer still stands on helping with some of the cost... It appears some of you guys have a solution determined and the fix is being implimented as we go along, but still, if it costs anything, I would like to help out. Just find me in the pits some day and fill me in on details.
Thanks guys, this will be a huge help to all of us.
FISHGUY
05-10-2006, 07:59 AM
Deal. Go to registration, they'll have a radio to get ahold of me. Troy341
Troy and all!!! How about this. i'll get numbers made that are white on a black backround and are water proof and we can put them on the wall with velcro. This will save time putting them up and will be far less heavy to lug out during race day; they will also be easier to see then the sharpie numbers on the cones, no cones needed means a better day for Troy....Let me know what everyone thinks????????? All in favor; say I........
Thanks
Eric
Team EMS
# 871
csbextreem
05-10-2006, 09:18 AM
How are they going to attach to the wall with velcro?
I am for it as long as it is feasable and quick.
Steve
05-10-2006, 10:15 AM
How are they going to attach to the wall with velcro?
I am for it as long as it is feasable and quick.
Shouldn't be a big deal I don't think. I mean, knee sliders are attached with velcro, right?
Mr Sunshine
05-10-2006, 10:58 AM
Deal. Go to registration, they'll have a radio to get ahold of me. Troy341
Ok I'll come find you at 7ish on Saturday at Spokane.
Mr Sunshine
05-10-2006, 10:59 AM
Shouldn't be a big deal I don't think. I mean, knee sliders are attached with velcro, right?
but how is the velcro going to stick to the K-Barrier? Espically in the wet.
I am pretty sure that velcro isn't the answer. How 'bout going and buying some white numbers to stick to the cones? White numbers on orange instead of black. Troy341
Mr Sunshine
05-10-2006, 11:28 AM
I am pretty sure that velcro isn't the answer. How 'bout going and buying some white numbers to stick to the cones? White numbers on orange instead of black. Troy341
hey guys since I'm hooking up with troy anyhow on saturday I'll go buy some white 7" numbers and get this done for spokane.
If you want to help out with the costs come find me in spokane and throw a couple bucks my way.
Troy do you think 7" is the right size or do you think 6"? Also how many rows do we need? 12?
FISHGUY
05-10-2006, 09:35 PM
The other problem there is we only have about 8 cones out for grids, so from 9 to 12 what will you do. The velcro thing will work. I'll get back with you guys as I'm already starting the project..
Thanks
Eric
# 871 Team EMS
At Pacific Raceways you do not get to put anything permanent on the wall. If Joel (Race Director) or I think that the numbers could fly off when the bikes go by or in a wind, we will kill the idea. I strongly urge you to keep it simple and put numbers on the cones. It really would take some convincing to make me agree to the velcro idea. Just trying to give you a heads up. Troy341
FISHGUY
05-11-2006, 04:50 PM
At Pacific Raceways you do not get to put anything permanent on the wall. If Joel (Race Director) or I think that the numbers could fly off when the bikes go by or in a wind, we will kill the idea. I strongly urge you to keep it simple and put numbers on the cones. It really would take some convincing to make me agree to the velcro idea. Just trying to give you a heads up. Troy341
Troy, after talking with Diane, it seems better to put the numbers that I'm making on the wall with duct-tape. This will make them removable, reuseable and wind proof. I'd be happy to come out the morning of and put them up at Pacific, as I will not be at Spokane this coming wknd/event...Let me know if that sounds good to you? Thanks
Eric
# 871
Mr Sunshine
05-11-2006, 05:12 PM
Troy, after talking with Diane, it seems better to put the numbers that I'm making on the wall with duct-tape. This will make them removable, reuseable and wind proof. I'd be happy to come out the morning of and put them up at Pacific, as I will not be at Spokane this coming wknd/event...Let me know if that sounds good to you? Thanks
Eric
# 871
Nothing really sticks to concrete. The duct tape will become loose and then the sign will become loose.
^^^^^^^^What he said. If I think that they will come loose, off they come. Troy341
FISHGUY
05-11-2006, 08:32 PM
Troy, lets try it and see and if not we'll go with something else. It would be nice if we didnt have to mess with the cones..Dont you agree?
Thanks
Eric
# 871
johndief
05-12-2006, 01:24 PM
there are cones? :)
john
The flaw in you logic is that I'm gonna have to put out the cones anyway. If there were numbers on them, I would only have to keep track of which goes where. There would be only 1 extra step. I wouldn't have to look for something completely different, keep track of where it goes and then tape it to the wall, 3 extra steps. If this is gonna be a pain in my ass, it won't happen. I really do have a lot to do and it starts early. Troy341
FISHGUY
05-12-2006, 08:17 PM
The flaw in you logic is that I'm gonna have to put out the cones anyway. If there were numbers on them, I would only have to keep track of which goes where. There would be only 1 extra step. I wouldn't have to look for something completely different, keep track of where it goes and then tape it to the wall, 3 extra steps. If this is gonna be a pain in my ass, it won't happen. I really do have a lot to do and it starts early. Troy341
Sounds like a done deal then, you can keep the cones and go with that. It's funny that after the same system for all these years; no one seems to like it, but no one wants to try to make it better either...I guess that the ones that cant find there way to the grid will just have to deal with it!!!!!
The ones that don't like the system are trying to get me to take on more to make their life easier. I will take on some more, but not as much as you are asking. I'm not the one trying to make a change, I'm the one being asked to do more work. I am here willing to try to help, but just because you haven't convinced me that duct tape and a number plate is the way to go doesn't mean that I'm not willing to listen to a new idea. Just because I don't agree with this new idea doesn't mean that I won't agree with a different one. I can tell you pretty much for sure that the race director would say "Who the fuck is duct taping number plates to the wall where they can be blown off?" You can thank me later for saving you from this. Troy341
Troy, I just gotta commend you on how you can stay calm and reasoned through all these suggestions on how you can make everybody else's life easier. I'd be, uh, not quite so calm and reasoned. ;)
Of the ideas I've heard so far, number stickers on the cones sounds like the winner. But then I don't know nuthin'!
Haha, Thanks Tim! I would have to say that I think that the numbered cones sound the most likely to me too. Troy341
mygrassisblu
05-13-2006, 01:58 PM
Thank you Troy ! ! !
Mr Sunshine
05-13-2006, 04:24 PM
Ok I have numbers for 16 rows. Troy I'll find you, get the cones marked and then we can get those suckers out.
That's it. Screw you guys. I'm not gonna put the numbers on the cones this weekend in Spokanistan. Troy341
mygrassisblu
05-24-2006, 12:37 PM
fine I'm not going then
Mr Sunshine
05-24-2006, 05:00 PM
:p
I'll find ya at Pacific June 10th...I'm signed up to work the corners that day but maybe they'll let me put numbers on the cones first.
Hypnotiq
05-24-2006, 05:02 PM
Good, we didnt want you out on the track racing anyways. :P
Mr Sunshine
05-25-2006, 09:36 AM
Good, we didnt want you out on the track racing anyways. :P
You are just afraid I'll finally catch and pass you. :)
Hypnotiq
05-25-2006, 01:01 PM
The cool down lap doesn't count. :p
Mr Sunshine
05-25-2006, 01:23 PM
The cool down lap doesn't count. :p
WHAT? I thought it counted....whahaahaha. :D
Allister Squid #121
05-31-2006, 08:51 AM
I think I'm gay for Troy341.
Is that a bad thing?
DAMMIT I WANT NUMBERS ON CONES SCOTTY!!!!
"I DON THIN SHEL HANDLEM SIR SHE"S BREAKIN UUP ALREDY C'PTAIN"
"GIVE ME NUMBERS SCOTTY, AND DAMN THE TORPEDOES"
AFM paints the grid numbers right on the shiny, flawless, new asphalt track surface at Infineon.
Did I mention how new, shiny, smooth, and perfect the asphalt was?
Mr Sunshine
05-31-2006, 01:23 PM
I think I'm gay for Troy341.
Is that a bad thing?
DAMMIT I WANT NUMBERS ON CONES SCOTTY!!!!
"I DON THIN SHEL HANDLEM SIR SHE"S BREAKIN UUP ALREDY C'PTAIN"
"GIVE ME NUMBERS SCOTTY, AND DAMN THE TORPEDOES"
AFM paints the grid numbers right on the shiny, flawless, new asphalt track surface at Infineon.
Did I mention how new, shiny, smooth, and perfect the asphalt was?
oh man do you have some pipe dream.
Hypnotiq
05-31-2006, 02:31 PM
I think I'm gay for Troy341.
Is that a bad thing?
DAMMIT I WANT NUMBERS ON CONES SCOTTY!!!!
"I DON THIN SHEL HANDLEM SIR SHE"S BREAKIN UUP ALREDY C'PTAIN"
"GIVE ME NUMBERS SCOTTY, AND DAMN THE TORPEDOES"
AFM paints the grid numbers right on the shiny, flawless, new asphalt track surface at Infineon.
Did I mention how new, shiny, smooth, and perfect the asphalt was?
Allister, did you forget to take your medicine @ lunch today? :p
Steve
06-01-2006, 08:48 AM
I remember a big long debate last year I think about painting grid boxes on the asphalt like pretty much all the other clubs do but it sounded like it was more complicated than putting a man on the moon. I figured this would be a good compromise but even this seems very complicated. Still not sure why we couldn't at least paint the row number on the Armco barrier but I give up.
Mr Sunshine
06-01-2006, 09:48 AM
Still not sure why we couldn't at least paint the row number on the Armco barrier but I give up.
Because of the drag racers...it'll slow them down somehow. :rolleyes:
Ex Presidente
06-01-2006, 11:25 AM
We are not allowed, bound by our Track Use Agreement, to not alter the facility in anyway. That is why we can't paint ANYTHING on the racing surface or the Armco.
Luke
WMRRA President
Wubbie
06-01-2006, 11:32 AM
We are not allowed, bound by our Track Use Agreement, to not alter the facility in anyway. That is why we can't paint ANYTHING on the racing surface or the Armco.
Luke
WMRRA President
I'm no lawyer but I would think if WMRRA owns there own cones and places them on the tarmac with lane numbers on them Pacific Raceways wouldn't have much room to complain. It's cones for christ sake!
Mr Sunshine
06-01-2006, 11:55 AM
I'm no lawyer but I would think if WMRRA owns there own cones and places them on the tarmac with lane numbers on them Pacific Raceways wouldn't have much room to complain. It's cones for christ sake!
This is exactly what we are going to do at the new race weekend. I have enough numbers for around 16 to 19 rows (can't remember exactly) and I'll be working with Tony to stick the numbers onto the very same cones we use currently for the grid.
No more counting!
mygrassisblu
06-04-2006, 06:07 AM
LOL... I feel the staffs pain..... Numbers on grid cones.....DONE...end of thread.
Not done yet. Chris you left a bunch of numbers in the radio shack. Were these your bikes' numbers or for Spokanistan?
Alister, don't fret. Many, if not all, feel how you do. Just one of the curses of being male that you'll never get to experience those 12 seconds of heaven.
We can put numbers on the cones. We can't paint the wall or the asphalt. I won't attach them to the wall since you haven't convinced me of a good, secure, removable way to do it. Keep tryin if you feel like it, otherwise, I have agreed to put out the numbered cones at future races. Troy341
Mr Sunshine
06-13-2006, 07:48 AM
Not done yet. Chris you left a bunch of numbers in the radio shack. Were these your bikes' numbers or for Spokanistan?
Alister, don't fret. Many, if not all, feel how you do. Just one of the curses of being male that you'll never get to experience those 12 seconds of heaven.
We can put numbers on the cones. We can't paint the wall or the asphalt. I won't attach them to the wall since you haven't convinced me of a good, secure, removable way to do it. Keep tryin if you feel like it, otherwise, I have agreed to put out the numbered cones at future races. Troy341
Damnit....those were the wrong numbers...but they look right don't they. :)
I haven't looked at my house yet for the right ones but whatever way I'll have those suckers for Spokane.
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